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0:00:00 Introduction to the podcast and Erin Davis' focus on money, mindset, and confidence
0:00:51 Introduction of guest Kerry Rowett, an intuitive business energetics mentor
0:01:48 Kerry Rowett shares her background, from being a teacher to discovering kinesiology and transitioning into online business
0:04:04 Kerry's early success in attracting clients and moving her business fully online
0:06:31 Transition to discussing the concept of business energetics
0:08:54 Explanation of business energetics - separating personal energy from business energy
0:11:48 Examples of how clients visualize the energetic structure of their businesses
0:15:01 Importance of balancing strategy and flexibility in business
0:18:22 The role of energy in business success and the "align and dream bigger" process
0:22:37 Practical steps for making decisions and overcoming resistance
0:27:18 Addressing the emotional and financial barriers in business
0:33:52 Redefining success beyond just financial goals
0:40:08 Kerry's final message and resources for listeners
0:49:04 Closing and information on how to connect with Kerry Rowett
THE ERIN DAVIS SHOW
Erin Davis
Welcome to the Erin Davis show where we talk all things money, mindset and confidence. I know that being in control of your money means that you can step into the rest of your life with confidence, because everything starts with confidence. But I also know that women carry a huge, invisible mental load when it comes to their money. Being an accountant for over 30 years, I know all the ins and outs when it comes to money, and just how heavy that emotional load can be. So while I love talking about money, for me, it goes so much deeper. While I want you to explore your relationship with money, I also want to show you how embracing connection, expansion and abundance will make you feel more centered, inspired and aligned. So are you ready? Let's get started.
Alright, so today I have the beautiful Kerry Rowett with me today. Now, Kerry is an intuitive business energetics mentor and works with a lot of really successful entrepreneurs in her mastermind and 1:1 sessions. She helps her clients to clarify what they want and their aligned pathway to creating that. Kerry provides the business energetics, healing and psychology support that they require to get out of their own way and create their version of aligned success.
So thank you so much Kerry for joining me today. I'm really, really excited about moving into this space of business energetics and what it all means.
So welcome. Thank you for coming. Can you just share a little bit about you and your business journey and what you do?
Kerry Rowett
Absolutely. First of all, thank you so much for having me on your show. I'm so happy to be here, and so I've been in business for over 15 years now. Before that, I was a teacher, and I was feeling a bit stuck, and I went along to see a kinesiologist. Now, I don't know if you have seen a kinesiologist before or if listeners have seen a kinesiologist before. I didn't know much about it, but I was completely blown away by what this Kinesiologist was able to pick up through muscle testing about what I was feeling and what I was thinking and where I was stuck, and I continued to go along for sessions. And I used to have this recurring low level depression. It would come and go over a very long period of time.
This had been happening for 14 years and it had come up again. I've been to the doctor, and the doctor has said, look, I think it's time for you to try antidepressants. You know, this is quite persistent. You've tried a lot of things and at that point I agreed with him, I took the script with me, and it just happened to be the case I had an appointment with my Kinesiologist the following day, and I told her about this. And she said, Well, would you like to work with this in your session? I was like, well, if you want. I was so defeated feeling that I really did not think it was going to make any difference. And yet, in that one session, and we had one follow up session the following week, that depression cleared.
Now I'm not suggesting this is going to be the case for anyone else, but I didn't ever fill that script, and it did completely change my life. So up to that point, I was like, good, easy. All this is really interesting. This is really cool. I am definitely feeling changes. And it was at that point I realised it was life changing and I decided to enroll in the training, which was three years. It was over $20,000. It was just this massive investment of time and money. And if you want to be a kinesiologist, certainly at that point, you had to run your own business. You couldn't go and work as a kinesiologist. And that's really how I found my way into the business world and it turned out that I really quite liked business. I was very early to the online space. I was blogging very early. I was on Facebook for my business very early. And I really enjoyed writing and connecting. And so I attracted a lot of clients quite quickly in my journey, and within a year and a half of starting my business, I was booked out with clients, which at that time was 15 clients a week, like it's quite a lot of clients. I can't imagine working with that many clients these days, and that was in Melbourne. And over time, I continued, you know, to be booked out. I started to see more business related clients, and in 2014 I moved back to Adelaide, which was where I had grown up. It was as a result of a relationship situation that was why I left.
And at that point, I moved my business completely online. So once again, quite early to being online, a lot of people moved online in 2020, but I'd been online for a long time before that. That was when I started working with a lot of online business owners, because I had this interest in the online space and in business, I was joining a lot of online courses myself and connecting with other people who were quite early to the online space. And the way it worked was that so many of us worked with each other, and so I had all these people as clients. I was their client. You know, this was how I met Leonie Dawson. I worked with her privately. She was my coach. Then she started working with me. I joined the second round of Denise Dufffield-Thomas's Money Bootcamp. She worked with me privately, and so I developed all of these connections, and that's really been, I guess, the bedrock of my business is these, the connections that I've made and the results that my clients have gotten from working with me.
Over time, I've created other courses. I have a book called Align and Attract. And these days, as you mentioned, I've got a mastermind. And although I started my journey as a kinesiologist, I also added a lot of tools to my toolkit, my intuitive capacities really developed and it was out of that that I've created some of the business energetics work that I do with my clients today.
Erin Davis
Wow, that that's been quite the journey, hasn't it? And I have listened to a lot of your podcasts, particularly with those high end coaches. And just really listening to those connections, you can tell that there is a genuine friendship and connection between you, which I really, really love.
Kerry Rowett
Yes, there absolutely is. We do have a lot of resonance with each other and some connections you might make online. And yet, I've so often found that when you meet that person in real life, that connection can translate across. And the other thing I do is I make sure I get in spaces with like minded people. I'm happy to jump on planes. I'm happy to go to events. If someone wants to go on a retreat, I'm happy to make that plan and to go on that retreat, and to nourish and nurture those connections.
Erin Davis
So exactly as you say that all of those connections are very genuine, yeah, and I think for me too, it's all about connection. It's about that deeper level of helping somebody, because in my accounting world, I help people on a very surface level. It feels to me on a very surface level. However, the work that I love to do is that deeper, more connected, more engaged work to really just make such a beautiful impact and move their business forward, but it comes from that deeper connection.
Kerry Rowett
And I think whatever your skill set, even with that accounting skill set, when you've got your own business, you do have the capacity to create offers and create ways of working with people, where you get to utilize that skill set, but in a deeper way, don't you?
Erin Davis
Yeah, yeah, totally. So what is business energetics? Because it is, I suppose, quite a different take or a different philosophy, to that old traditional business space, but to me, it feels more aligned and connected and just in flow. So I'd be interested to know what, what? How do you describe it? What does that look like for you?
Kerry Rowett
Alright, so a number of things to talk about when it comes to business energetics and the first is this principle that you have your own energy and your business has an energy of its own. And so if you think about a company, a really well known company, it's obviously not a person, is it? There are departments, there are processes and systems, there is a culture and because our businesses don't necessarily have those things, we can fall into this trap, the kind of thinking our business is our selves, but it is us.
I find that people can end up feeling very burnt out, stifled, suffocated, and they can take things very personally, things that happen in the business, that are just a part of being in business, but they make it about themselves, because they do not have this separation. So I think that's the first thing to say, is that you want to be seeing your business as this separate entity.
Now when I'm talking about business energetics, I am talking about you as the individual who is the business owner and your energetic space. So you being able to be in your own space, and part of that can be being able to clear your energy from, you know, things that you might be picking up, things that you're picking up from clients. This is around boundaries as well, energetic boundaries, so you're not taking absolutely everything on. And then there are the energetics of your business, like I said, and that for me, like we often when I'm working with clients in this way and when I'm working with my mastermind clients, we look at your business as an actual structure.
So I ask people to tune in and to imagine what their business actually looks like. So let me give you some examples to make this real for you. I had a client tune in and she said it looks like scaffolding. And like, oh, well, that doesn't sound great. And she's like, well, no, it doesn't feel great. This is someone with quite a substantial business and yet she is feeling like she's sitting on this beam with her other team members also sitting on beams. And then clients are coming into the space and like, there's the files, like, go and get them out yourself, and off you go. She's like, that doesn't feel good. She ended up transforming her business structure into a tree house. So some people who've got young children or grandchildren might be familiar with The 13 Story Tree House books. They go 13 stories, 26 stories, up in 13ā€™s and on. It goes up to 169, right now. And so that was the kind of structure that she built out for her business.
I have had other clients. Someone was looking at their business structure and it looked like a nest. She's like, well, that doesn't feel very contained, that doesn't feel very appropriate. Over time, when I've been working with her, her business structure turned into the British Library and she's continued to develop that. And so she'll have rooms within the library, which are the spaces for the offers in her business. And you know, the books on the shelves are representing the knowledge that's within her business and so on.
Somebody else, she had a small little house and then we realised there's no signage. No one knows how to get here. She had to put signs up. She's also expanded the size of this space and created a much larger meeting room space within that house. It sounds so abstract and yet what I find is when people do this work, it starts to come alive for them, and then they get to play with this. And our subconscious mind actually loves this kind of play, where it sort of seems like it's just your imagination, but you gain a sense of control and being able to have power within this space and how that you are altering it and how you are ensuring that it's set up to support you and also to Fill fulfill the goals that you have for your business.
So we also look at the energetics of like, specific offers that you might have in your business. I had a mastermind call just this week where we were focusing on the energetics of your clients. And so it's like, yeah, we get to play in this space of possibility. And what I love is we then get to see these effects. I've got someone in my business mastermind who actually has a product business. And for her, when she did this work, and she was doing it around like a new product launch, and she just said she had more excitement around that product launch, when she shared it than she'd experienced in months. And she said it just feels like that is so connected, and people are often coming back to me with this type of feedback, that they feel stronger, more stable, they feel like they've got this greater sense of like, healthy detachment from their business, but they've got a lot of positive things happening, a lot of flow, a lot of wait and see.
Erin Davis
I love that. I love that feeling of playfulness and creativity. Because I think being in that traditional space of accounting like I am, it feels very structured, very linear, very you know, this is the process you just step in and you just do it, and it is really quite constrictive, rather than being playful and enjoyment and full of those, those flowing feelings. So I really love that, that whole space of being able to have some fun with it, because I think it is not that I have done the work specifically in business energetics, but I feel very different when I'm working in my business compared to when I'm working in the accounting space. It just feels like a very different flow of energy for me.
Kerry Rowett
Yeah, that makes so much sense. I'm sure everyone listening can relate to that. We all do understand energy. We know when things are flowing, we know when things feel aligned. We know when things feel stuck. We know when they are not working. But the thing we don't always know is, what can I do about that, how can I actually create a shift and what's going to make the difference? And I do want to be very clear here as well. Even though I do a lot of work in this space, I'm also a very grounded, practical person and I do think strategically as well. So I would never like to suggest that we're doing this work in isolation and it's magic thinking and then the business just all of a sudden, it just, it just happens. It does it. Yeah, I think there needs to be that combination of the strategy, but then also within the strategy to allow yourself the freedom and flexibility to move and adapt and flow as things come up, but you know what the overall strategy is. So you're staying on that path, but you're not, you're not deviating with that shiny object syndrome all the time. And, you know, dancing between things. If that doesn't feel right, yes, that is, that's absolutely it. Isn't it? You want to have that broader strategy. You want to be focused on what it is that you're wanting to create, but then within that, you don't become this dry, step by step process. Oh, I need to get out my marketing. I need to send my email. Oh, I need to record my podcast, if you approach your business, especially when you have a personal brand in that kind of way, and you don't find that lighter energy, that connecting energy, then what you are Putting out into the world might fall quite flat because, yeah, I think our energy does really matter, and it is what people connect to. So even though it's online, if you keep that front of mind, that it's still about connection, and it's still about your energy, I think that you know, really counts in a different light.
Erin Davis
Yeah, what do you do? Or what do you suggest? You know You said before that when you feel stuck and you feel out of alignment, I know I have felt that in the past, but what are your suggestions to be able to, I suppose, really harness that stuckness and utilise it to then have the courage to step forward.
Kerry Rowett
I'll guide you through a quick process. And I call it my align and dream bigger process. And so when somebody comes to me and they are feeling stuck, or they're wanting to create something they haven't done yet, or they're feeling really frustrated, where I'm going to be starting is asking them to clarify, what do you want? Now, sometimes that's going to look like an outcome, a particular kind of result and sometimes that's about a feeling and a way of being and both are great.
I think we do need both, because it does matter how you feel as you move through your life. So I'm always going to encourage you to start there, because that is often going to give you clues about what it is that you're needing to be doing next. So from clarify, we then want to move through into clear. So that's what I want. Well, first of all, am I taking aligned actions towards that? Am I doing what's required? If I am, great. Keep going. If I'm not, if I say, for example, I want to grow my business, or I want to have a business, and yet I'm not doing it, or I'm not being consistent with it. That's when we want to move into the clear. But clarifying clear claims are the three steps we're moving through.
And when we get into clear, what do I need to clear here, and you might need to work with somebody to support you to do this, but we're looking at the thoughts, the feelings, the beliefs, the stories that are holding you back. So what do you need to release? What do you need to let go of and to heal so that you actually will take those actions. So it might be, oh, I'm too scared, or I have this fear of failure, or, you know, there's something else that's coming up for me, and that's why I can't move forward, or I feel like I'm not good enough. Well, we want to clear that right?
And then once we've done that clearing process, we don't just want to stay endlessly clearing. We want to keep moving through this cycle into claim, and that's where we want to make a decision. It's like if I said that what matters to me is creating a business, or it's growing my business, or it's achieving something in particular, if that's actually what I want, and I have cleared those beliefs and thoughts and feelings and stories that are holding me back, or at least some of them, I need to get on with it. I need to move into claim, and I need to make the decision that I'm going to back myself.
I see people hesitate here. They say they want it, but they're not actually making the decision, and they're not backing that decision up with action, and that's what we have to do. This is the mindset component. This is the psychology component. And it's really deciding, like, Who do I need to be in order to create this? And how am I going to step into this? Do I want it enough? I need to be really honest with myself here. Do I want it enough? Because if I do, I'm going to continue to move through that resistance and that sense of challenge in a positive way. But I'm going to, you know, stay in the process. If I don't want it enough, I need to be honest with myself, because if I don't want it enough, I'm not going to create it. I'm not going to be able to stay in it. I'm not going to move through that resistance. And then we're going to move back to clarify. Well, I don't want that. What do I actually want?
Erin Davis
This sounds like you are just speaking to me. I know we've had some discussions in the past about particularly where I'm at and what I'm doing and that type of thing, but I made a decision maybe about a month ago, and the actual making of that decision was so huge, and I have spoken about this decision for myself and those close to me for some time. However, I haven't had the courage to actually just step into that space and actually make the decision. I have said that I wanted it, but I was hesitating and I was too scared to actually back myself and take that leap of faith. But something changed, and I made that decision, and it was like a weight had just been lifted. And I have made this decision in the past, but now it was different. It was totally different this time. It was like a conviction and a yes, this is happening. It is going to happen, rather than this is what I want, I actually made the decision. And I think that the weight that lifted was just so huge. I think we just underestimate really that heaviness that we carry when we're in this space of not being in total alignment with what we know we want. The actions and the process are saying something different.
Kerry Rowett
Yes, I love what you have just said and what I find can be really helpful here, if we are wanting to make a decision and we just can't make it like, zooming out, looking ahead five years, looking ahead 10 years and what's going to happen if I don't make that decision if not much is going to happen, like, maybe it doesn't matter, then, you know, like, maybe it doesn't you're not. You don't want that enough, right? You're not that bothered. But if that idea really horrifies you, then you're going to have to do it sometime. And so why not create that plan? And I think sometimes we can feel like it's the decision moment that is the key. Mm.
But it is like making a big decision, to make a major change in our lives, like it is so critical to be willing to do that, and then from there it's knowing this is not the last decision I've made. This is not the last time I'm going to be backing myself. Now this is going to be a daily thing, because I might have doubts. I might experience challenges. Things might not happen as fast as I hope they would. I might have imposter syndrome. I might not feel good enough, and it's like I need to continue to show up for myself in those moments as well, and that's where I often find times, a lot of entrepreneurs need some support. That's often when they'll decide to work with somebody like me, because they realize, if they are not able to back themselves day to day, and to keep stepping in, keep moving through those challenges that are coming up. They're really going to hold themselves back. They're not going to fulfill their potential. And the type of clients that I work with that's terrifying, like they matter, they really want to do that. Yeah, and I feel that making that initial first decision is just such a monumental thing. However, the confidence comes from overcoming those daily struggles. And the daily struggles are those self doubts, those questioning things that you're doing. You know, did I make the right decision? Am I doing the right thing? But the more you do it, the more confident you grow and you're able to take on those challenges. It doesn't mean that they disappear, but there's, there seems to be a new level, new devil, and there's new things that come up, but opening yourself up at that very beginning to the possibility and the opportunity by taking that very first decision is for me, it has been that monumental change, and I feel like it might be a great opportunity for those listening to feel into this for yourself and ask yourself, is there a decision that I have been wanting to make, or I have been sitting on for some time. And if there is, what do I want to happen here? When am I going to feel ready to make this decision? And if you're like, No, no, I am genuinely not ready, like I am not financially resourced to make this decision, or I like it feels too risky. Okay, that's a separate thing. Create a plan around that, but we just don't want to stay in this space of indecision. I find that is just not the way that you want to be living your life. And so that clarifying process that I mentioned, it can be clarifying like the next step, it can be clarifying, what do I need in order to feel safe or to feel like it's possible for me to make this change or to make this decision that I want to make? And I think that's something else to say about entrepreneurship as well, is the level of decision making is really quite beyond what you can imagine if you haven't been in it, because some of the early decisions can feel really important. It's like, should I use this mailing list or this type of mailing list, or should I create my website here? Or should I grab my website here? Like, what should I be posting on social media? I can immediately do all sorts of things, but it just goes on and on and on. And I think developing your ability to make quick, clean, clear decisions and move forward is one of the best things that you can do for yourself in the entrepreneurial space.
Sure, if we're talking about a bigger investment of time, money, bigger strategy decisions, that's a separate thing, but they are. There are a lot of decisions that we're making every single day that we do not want to be excessively deliberating on, or we're just not going to move forward. We're not going to get done what is required in our business, and then I suppose you're stuck in that energy of procrastination and doubt and questioning whether it's the right thing or the wrong thing, or, you know, is there something else I should be doing, or what else do I need to do?
Erin Davis
Rather than just make the decision, deal with it, move on. Then, if it's not right, make another decision and move on again, rather than staying stuck in that procrastination space, and I particularly see a lot of women working in that accounting space that have this great idea of running their business. They feel they run a business really well. They're very passionate. However, when it comes to the numbers and the money side of things, they don't feel confident. They don't make decisions because they don't understand it. And then they are up and down all the time. They're not really going full throttle forward in that confident, energetic space. So it's a very conflicting person. I suppose that I get come and see me because they're passionate about their business, but then really struggling with the money and the idea of how to manage that.
Kerry Rowett
Yes, I can totally see that. And I guess that's where your clients really get to benefit from your expertise as well. And talking about money and business like, there's a lot of mindset work that people can do and a lot of energy work that people can do around money, but I find a lot of it is quite practical as well like really understanding what are the expenses that I have within my business, how much do I actually need to be charging? Sometimes people place too much of this on their own worth or their own value when setting pricing, rather than looking at the very practical aspect of, what do I what is required? What do I actually need to charge in in order for this to make sense and for this business to be viable and sustainable? And then also, like, how do I ensure that the value that my client is receiving exceeds what it is that they're paying. Like, it's just a different way of thinking about it, rather than, well, I'm worth this, which is it's irrelevant, like our worth is obviously infinite, and so, yeah, we want to have that really practical side. And I also said, I'm sure you do as well with some business owners. And I also find there's a business energetics component here whereby they sometimes are not even paying themselves, or they're not paying themselves appropriately from the business. And so it's like I'm actually almost like slave labor for my business, and all of the profits, all of the money gets turned back into the business, and I'm just left with the crumbs, or I'm left with what's available at the end of the month, if there is anything. And when I say it's a business energetics piece, the way I see it is that your business, like I said, it's its own energy. It's its own entity, and so it needs to function as a business without me holding it like a baby, without me propping it up. And it's like, don't worry. I'll just carry you around, and I'll support you, and I'll nourish you, and I'll give you everything that you need. It's like, no no, you as the business actually need to be able to function as a business, and as a part of that function, you need to be able to pay me as the employee of this business. And then when we're making decisions about the business, it's more objective, it's more pragmatic. Of course, it can take time to create that it definitely does, depending on the type of business that you operate, but we want our businesses to be able to be that separate energy and have this cleaner relationship around money and what is actually required. And sometimes that can mean that a business just isn't validating itself. The offer is just not working in the way that it needs to work, or the revenue is just not working in the way that it needs to work.
Erin Davis
And as I say, we want to look at that objectively, rather than excessively emotionally. And I find that when you're talking about money, there are so many emotions that come into it, and it is not necessarily an emotion about money, but it comes back to an emotion about self worth and self belief. From that it then translates into how we behave with our money. And so I encourage my clients to really disconnect the emotion from money and look at money as just being the transaction, the emotion that's attached to it is, well, what does it say about us? What is it? What is it that we're needing within us, that we can then translate it into being something different with how we interact with our money, like, are we always in this scarcity mindset that, you know, we have to spend everything that we've got because, you know, we might not be able to afford it tomorrow, so we need to spend it today, or I'm making all this money in my business. However, there's no money left in the bank. You know, all of these things that play out really just play into that. What I find is the emotional connection that we have to the money.
Kerry Rowett
I totally agree and I think that's where dealing with your patterns as the individual, like that is so important. Because if you haven't dealt with those as an employee and you have some of these underlying patterns. They're only going to be amplified when you have your business, aren't they? Aren't they? So we just want those to be addressed. You want to be able to look at those, and you want to be able to clear them and where possible, you want to be able to be, like, really objective about what is actually happening and I think that's where being able to have those honest conversations, having the supportive and your accountant, or like someone like Erin, who can help you to look at the numbers, read the numbers, and then really see the patterns that have been playing out for you, and then look at how are you going to break those? Because sometimes they can be really significant consequences if we keep running the same old patterns that aren't working for us.
Erin Davis
I love that. I love that. So tell me a little bit about your business is obviously align and attract. What does success look like for you and when you're dealing with your clients, how are you tuning into what that success thing looks like? Because just a bit of a backstory, my idea of success has always been linked to money, because I think I have been in that financial space that for me, in order to be successful, I needed to have a certain level of income. And now that sounds quite egotistical and not rational at all, and I know that, but that's how I felt, and it took me a long time to accept that success for me, was linked to that money space, and yeah, it's taken a lot to move through that. So I'm interested to know what your idea of success is, and how you help your clients tune into that space.
Kerry Rowett
So for myself, like I do this work as well, and that is that clarification process, and whether it is through journaling or its reflection, it's zooming out five years. It's been zooming out for 10 years. There can be a financial aspect to it, but what else is going to be in your life, and that means that you are feeling happy, fulfilled, you have the love that you desire, that you are like living your life in the way that you want to live it, and getting clear on exactly What that looks like. And so that's what I do with my clients. When I work with people in my mastermind, because I'm working with them for six months at a time, we do zoom out six months. And so what is it they're wanting to create within that six month period? And that can have a revenue aspect. Sometimes it is actually more about income as distinct from revenue, because the revenue might sound quite impressive, but they are working on increasing their own personal income or their profit within that. And often times, when people come to work with me, they're at a point where they might have realised just revenue or just making a certain amount of income that's not enough. And I want to do work that I love, and I want to work with people who I really enjoy working with, and I want to work in a way that is really sustainable and fulfilling, and so that might mean that they are making changes in their business. They're creating new offers. They're looking at how they can make their business more scalable and leveraged so that they can have the lifestyle that they desire. And so I think for the people I work with, they do tend to take this broader view. They often have been in business for a while, and so they're kind of beyond thinking, Oh, I just want to have this level of income, so that I can have this house and this car and that I can take this holiday. They're looking at life from more of a purpose driven lens as well. And they are really interested in meaning and really interested in an impact. And as I say, money is woven through that. But it's not the only piece.
Erin Davis
Yeah, it's quite often not the actual driver. We think it is, but it's really not. And that was definitely for me, it was it, when I looked at it, money wasn't the driver, but my idea, because I hadn't gone deeper into this work, it was very surface level that, well, if I earn this sort of income, then that's success. But money doesn't buy happiness. We know that it's money buys the opportunity and the possibility to be able to go and do the things and experience, the things that you want to do. So it was a very big disconnect for me between money and success. And yeah, it's taken me a while to really hone in on that and accept that.
Kerry Rowett
Well, money is not success. It's obviously a component to it, and it comes with the success, but it's not the driver, and I think it can be a little bit of a red flag sometimes, certainly in business, when somebody only has the income goal, because if you are only driven by money, it is not going to be enough to sustain and motivate you. During the harder cycles of business, you're going to lose interest and lose motivation quite quickly. And this reminds me of a question I love to ask people when they're explaining to me what it is that they want, and it does feel a little bit superficial surface level, what it is that they're describing. I will ask this question, what do you think that will make you feel if you have that, or you have achieved that? What will you get to feel then, and as we start to dive into that, that's where some of that deeper awareness can suck that to come through, because it can be very different. So if you were to answer that question for yourself right now, how would you answer it if I was to achieve the success, if I was to have the money that I think that I want, what do I think that would give me? For some people, it's security. For others, it's safety for others, it's achievement for others, it's I get to feel proud. For others, I would feel good enough. And so when we understand that, we can look at okay, how can I start to cultivate and create that from where I am, rather than having this false link, this false correlation that success or money is going to give me that because I've certainly seen people can create really high levels of revenue or income and not feel what they thought they were going to feel, if you have a sense of financial insecurity, I can tell you, you can have that when your revenue is at millions.
Erin Davis
Exactly. And that's the thing, isn't it? Like we see that people can have a lot of money but still be completely broke, or earn a lot of money but have no money in the bank, a person that has a very modest wage can be completely wealthy and abundant and feel totally different to the person that has huge income, huge debt, huge credit card debt. It's a very different feeling.
Kerry Rowett
And I can also see sometimes people can actually have a lot of money in the bank, and they can have what they thought they wanted, but they might still have that underlying fear or the underlying insecurity. And so it's not even that they haven't been able to create it, or that they're running patterns that are unhelpful. You can still create it, but have the feeling. And so we want to realise that we can shift that moment, rather than thinking it's going to happen because we've achieved a goal.
Erin Davis
Yeah, oh, I love this conversation. I've been just writing notes while we've been talking because everything is just popping up, that it just is such great, divine timing for this conversation, particularly for me. Like I said, I've made this big decision, and I'm stepping more into this space which feels totally aligned and feels like it's the right move, very long overdue, but I'm ready now for it and it has, it's been good.
Kerry Rowett
Amazing. I'm so happy that the timing has been just so perfect.
Erin Davis
I know, I know. So if you have a final message for our listeners in relation to business energetics. Yes, energetics in general. Because I know there are women that listen to this podcast that aren't in business, but I feel like the energetics that we have impacts everything. So what would be your final message to learn how to embrace that and tap into it so that you can live a more fulfilled and more in flow life.
Kerry Rowett
Well, what I'm going to invite you to do is to download a free copy of my book. It's called align and attract, and you can download that at https://www.alignandattract.com/freebook and in this book, it's actually a story that's how it was written, of this character, Anna, who was an accountant. And she left her job and she's working as a coach and it's the journey that Anna is going on, but you are invited to go on that journey with her. Doesn't mean you have to be right at the start of your business journey. Either you can read this book at any stage of your business journey. I hear from people who bought this book years ago, and they say to me, I've still got your book next to my bedside table. Like it's crazy. How many people tell me they really resonate with the book or resonate with the character? At the end of each chapter, you are invited to answer a question about yourself, your business, what it is that you want. I have had people read this book who do not have a business and they have just related the questions to their own life, and they said they found it really impactful as well. So you don't need to let that be a barrier. And if we think about this in terms of the energetics and energy, a key element of that is the clarification process of what it is that you want, because energetically, that's how we kind of set up.
The context for what it is that we are creating, how it is that we are wanting to move forwards, is by knowing what it is that we want, and so it's a really key element, and also making choices, making decisions. It's another key aspect of energetic work. We don't necessarily think about it in that way, but you think about the accumulation of all of the choices and decisions that we maybe don't make, and then we end up wondering why we feel so stuck, and yet when we do continue to discern exactly what we want, what's right for us, what's aligned for us. Make those choices, make those decisions, continue to move forward. That's where we get to step into a sense of flow, into a sense of alignment, and increasingly, we are creating more of what we want in our lives and in our businesses.
Erin Davis
Oh, that is so good. I will put all of those links in the show notes so our beautiful listeners can dive into this book and really just find that clarification. Because I totally agree, when you have the clarity about what it is that you want, it makes the decision so much easier and so and you know, when you're aligned and when you're not, it really is that guiding thought as to what it is that you need to do. So thank you so much, Kerry, for your time. I absolutely loved this conversation. We could just talk all day. I love this stuff, but I am really, really, very grateful for your time. As I said, I will put all of the information in the show notes and people can reach you where on your website, Instagram, what is the place to where is the place to go?
Kerry Rowett
You can find me on my website, www.alignandattact.com and you can have a look at my mastermind there. If you've been in business a while, that's at www.alignandattract.com/mastermind And you can also jump across and connect with me on Instagram. I am @kerryrowett and if you do that, let me know that you have been listening. Let me know what you have taken away from this conversation. And thank you so much for having me. Erin,
Erin Davis
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